Meeting Minutes January 26, 2017





A meeting of the New York City Transit Riders Council (NYCTRC) was convened at 12:00 noon on January 26, 2017 in the 16th Floor of 2 Broadway, New York City.

The following members were present:

Andrew Albert                       Sharon King Hoge

Stuart Goldstein                   Trudy Mason

Christopher Greif                 Marisol Halpern

William K. Guild                   Burton M. Strauss, Jr.

The following members were absent: 

Scott R. Nicholls                  Edith M. Prentiss

In addition, the following persons were present:

Ellyn Shannon  PCAC Associate Director

Angela Bellisio  PCAC Planning Manager

Bradley Brashears  PCAC Transportation Planner

Karyl Cafiero  PCAC Research Associate

Dan Zajackowski  NYCT

Deborah Hall-Moore NYCT

Troy Odendhal FTA

Dylan Cepeda CM Crowley

Matt Shotkin Concerned citizen

Ken Stewart  Concerned citizen

Jason A. Pinero  Concerned citizen

Omar Vera  Concerned citizen

Time Point
Video 1


Chair’s Report (The Chair’s Report is attached to these minutes.)









S. Goldstein: Hasn’t seen Second Avenue Subway ridership numbers. Requests ridership for each SAS station.

Action Item: Get monthly ridership numbers for SAS

E. Shannon: Because of extremely poor OTP subway performance, OTP is important to understanding the moving delays.

S. Goldstein: Requests letter to MTA- NYCT identifying bottleneck points.

Action Item: Request ridership bottleneck points from NYCT.

E. Shannon: Performance metric discussion. A new metric- Excess Travel Time would capture rider experience better than Wait Assess.

A. Albert: We are trying out a new NYCTRC minutes format. It will be brief and refer to video in-points. We welcome your input.

Action Item: NYCTRC New format for minutes.

19:40 Board Report
19:50 A. Albert: New fare discussion. The pressures from outside changed the decision on the fare from Option B to Option A. Now fares will be higher for the majority of the public and will take 20 trips to get a free ride from bonuses. Access-a-Ride fares should’ve been discussed separately.
24:20 T. Mason: New fares are listed in New York Times on page A24 with a good explanation of differences.
24:48 A. Albert: Amtrak’s East River Tunnel work will reduce LIRR capacity so we revised Freedom Ticket (FT) pilot proposal to read SE Queens to Jamaica/East New York/ Nostrand Ave and Atlantic Terminal.  MTA announced FT pilot will move forward at Board Meeting. Pilot design by spring, with implementation in the fall.
28:20 A. Albert: Good FT marketing and performance reporting to Board are critical to success.
32:09 A. Albert: 2.5% wage increase for TWU. Some NYCT bus routes will convert to CNG. Conversions to articulated buses means less frequent service.
Video 2



A. Albert: Conversions to articulated buses means less frequent service, continued.

A. Albert: Performance indicator discussion. Delay locations are important.

04:57 B. Straus: M5 split discussion, where will buses be parked near 44th Street? What congestion will that cause? How will split impact service?

Action Item: Find out where M5 buses be parked now?

07:00 Approval of Agenda

The agenda for the January 26, 2017 meeting was approved.

07:22 Introduction of Presenter: D.Cepeda: Lower Montauk Branch reactivation presentation by Dylan Cepeda, from Council Member Elizabeth Crowley’s office.
12:00 A. Albert: Discussion of heavy rail vs. light rail.  Light rail is not as noisy and runs more frequently.

T. Mason: with heavy rail you could possibly use existing LIRR rolling stock.  AECOM study should be completed by summer and will include these issues.




S. Goldstein: Discussion of who will be served by the project.

T. Mason: Shares information from Congresswoman Maloney’s press conference about – Phases 2 and 3 of SAS are on the first list of Infrastructure Building Priorities that is going to be put out by the Trump Administration. It is could be $14.2 billion. Transportation is being considered as part of infrastructure.

31:00 Introduction of Presenter: Clark Street Tubes Closing – by NYC Transit’s Judy McClain, Senior Director of Service Planning-Dept. Operations Planning (PCAC office has electronic copy)
Video 3 Presentation (cont.):
30:11 Approval of Minutes
The minutes of the December 22, 2016 meeting were approved as amended with corrections. (Change 347 Madison to 2 Bway.)
New Business
31:18 C. Grief: Concerned about the N going local. Tunnel construction, stations, will Bay Ridge Ave. station be closed?
Video 4







C. Greif: ESI work stations will be closing in Bay Ridge Ave. station. Concern is with 86th St. Station. Will there be shuttle buses? You have Staten Island buses there, when riders get off the R train. D. Hall-Moore states ESI stations don’t currently have shuttle buses in the budget.

Action Item: Will there be shuttle buses at 86th St. Station Brooklyn?

S. Goldstein: Let’s talk about station cleanliness. We should revisit the station conditions survey.

Action Item: NYCTRC Station Condition Study: PES indicators, cleaning schedules, presentation materials, budget and staffing changes

T. Mason: There are problems with station conditions and escalators.

Action Item: Get the PES indicators and see how they line up with our concerns.







S. Goldstein: Look at PES / cleaning schedules and other presentation materials in prep for study scope.

Action Item: Get cleaning schedules, budget, and staffing changes.

J. Pinero: Dyre Ave. line no station booth agents at Baychester Ave., Gun Hill Road, Morris Park 9:00/10:00 pm.  Baychester Ave. and Pelham Pkwy stations. Needs attention.

Action Item: Get information on why Dyre Ave. line doesn’t have station agents (Baychester Ave., Gun Hill Road, Morris Park, Pelham Pkwy 9:00/10:00 pm.) 

15:15 Adjournment

The NYCTRC meetings are recorded and posted on our YouTube page. We have adjusted the format of the minutes to reflect the in-points on the videos to quickly refer to topics discussed in the meeting. There is also a link to the YouTube channel on the homepage of the PCAC website under the heading Video Channel

Video 1:  Chairs Report, Board Report, SAS and Subway Performance

Video 2:  Board Report Cont. Artic. Buses, Lower Montauk present, Clark Street Tubes closing presentation by Ops. Plan.

Video 3:  Clark Street Tubes closing presentation by Ops. Plan. Cont., New Business.

Video 4:  New Business Cont. ESI stations, station cleaning council project.


Action Items:

  • Get monthly ridership numbers for SAS.
  • Send letter to NYC Transit: Get ridership bottleneck points.
  • NYCTRC New Format for Minutes.
  • Find out where M5 buses be parked now?
  • Will there be shuttle buses at 86th Station Brooklyn?
  • NYCTRC Station Condition Study: PES indicators, cleaning schedules, presentation materials, budget and staffing changes
  • Get information on why Dyre Ave. line doesn’t have station agents (Baychester Ave., Gun Hill Road, Morris Park, Pelham Pkwy 9:00/10:00 pm.)

The meeting was adjourned at 2:00 PM.

Respectfully submitted,

Ellyn Shannon